He was flying with ryanair and was due to move to emirates. Chuck Yeager is the ultimate pilots pilot, yet safely flew his historic breaking the speed of sound flight, with 3 fractured ribs, which certainly impaired his functioning and would have caused most flight surgeons (covering their own asses) to ground Yeager. An aircraft is just another machine. There are too many who are afraid of liability. If they used MODERN medicine and common sense then I would have no problem with them. Increasing the gross weight limit of the Sport Aircraft class is a really good idea. Im still going to try to jump through the medical hoops because I love to fly. Discussion in 'Medical Topics' started by Globalpilot, Oct 6, 2018. It only came after I got out of the loop and had the hospital send the info straight to OK. You know how we all type up our medical records now, at least they think so. So how many depressed pilots (especially those who do it for a living) are flying? If one does lie this is an example of what could happen facing fines of up to $250,000,and possibly up to 5 years of federal imprisonment,and certificate revocation. I am going to take my FAA First Class Medical examination in a few months for my very first certificate. The AME certified you as ok to fly, now the feds second guess him. Would I report this or any depression on the 8500-8? Theres also the issue of things that a doctor may speculate on that they have no training or qualifications to formally diagnose. They will also review how your current application compares to the ones you have submitted in the past and your driving record. Holy hell! Too little or false information could park a pilot on the ground'permanently'and lead to fines and jail time if authorities detect a lie or deceit. Im an AME. How did the terrorists that crashed into the twin towers pass a medical that I failed for COUNSELING??! I think that FAA should be concerned about this difficulty in people. Willy post had only one eye should he have been grounded.??? Logic dictates that if the medical requirement did not exist, the number of incapacitations would be somewhat higher. Find a Senior AME in your area, call and ask to speak to the AME about your problem. Another friend had accompanied me to this testing and he sat across the table from me so that he could see the doctors actions. Did you tell the FAA you snore? I can get it back, but I have to go through a fairly extensive bureaucratic morass to recover it, then jump through extra hoops over the years to keep it. You are better off to work truthfully with your AME. If you didnt say yes then you lied. Ive seen pilots successfully conquer exams and die days later (in flight). Find another AME. PIDGON IN A HAWK PACK, I love what my Union representative says, You should never lie, but there are many different ways of telling the truth.. A good AME will tell you how to jump through the hoops so that when you go for your FAA medical certificate, you have all the data needed for the FAA. Generally, first-class is designed for the airline transport pilot; second-class for the commercial pilot; and third-class for the student, recreational and private pilot. I am in full support of the exemption and hope you will support it too; after all, it has worked for the Sport program and it seems it will work for you! Withholding a medical certificate by the FAA for long periods of time while (somewhat silly in many instances) paperwork is completed does not help with the proficiency issue. So if there is cause, e.g a call to the FAA's hotline, an investigation will occur, and these will be seen and rather quickly. If successful with testing, you can then make further arguments that you do not have an aeromedically significant medical condition. Aside from that, I think that few pilots lie but, as Huck Finn said of Mark Twain, there was things which he stretched, but mainly he told the truth., See my comment about the unconsciousness question. The message the FAA should be sending to pilots in my opinion is Manage your health. Indeed, in 2000 the Aeromedical Certification Division granted twice as many 'special issuance' certificates to pilots who had a significant medical condition, like coronary heart disease, a valve implant, a pacemaker, or alcoholism, as it did 10 years earlier. They, and AOPA, worked with me to get it corrected. A large gray area separates these two extremes, however. I know a guy from the US (cant tell his name) that told me that he has lied at least one time, he was overweight and had high blood pressure, he was medicated but he never told that in his annual. You can mail or fax your request for aircraft records or Request Copies of Aircraft Records online. NO. Its long and complex, but an occasional look at it, especially regarding your own health issues, is worth it. Investigating complaints from citizens and co-workers. PLEASE HELP Id had apnea for several years, napped daily once or twice. Im 64 and working on my PP license. Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. You do not have to be Richard Collins or Ernest Gann simply a GA pilot with a story youd share with friends sitting in the hangar. So Rex you never spun around and got dizzy as a child? Seems arbitrary to me. For those who fly for a living, YOU are the natural enemy doctor. George ED King says: Thats a good way to get into a LOT of trouble. How do we know that health issues rarely cause flying accidents? Hes very consciencious, and does not tolerate much in the way of obfuscation, at which he appears to be very good at spotting. On the subject of medical self certification, read the announcement by the AOPA and the EAA. This is why sometimes it becomes necessary to avoid telling the attending physician more than is necessary least the physician spin the whole condition in different light by making a mountain out of a mole hill, thereby destroying the flying career of the pilot for something that even the physician himself or herself is not sure about. Military veterans should also be aware that the FAA now routinely cross-references your VA disability rating when determining your eligibility for a medical certificate. Sometimes, your case can be put higher up in the stack. Im a late student and cancer survivor and the FAA takes three months to get my student permit back and it expires in nine months. Too much information could mean denial of the application and bureaucratic warfare with the FAA. See Also: Do Flight Schools Drug Test Students? I on the other hand can only fly sport and do when I can find a plane to rent. I do medicals on two pilots who went on a vigorous diet and lost weight. Robert Davis Travel Management Consultant, 2023 Executive Flyers +1 (512) 241-0795. Well, I believe we should have to have a medical to operate a car, a motorcycle, a truck, a bus, a train or any type of machine that is exposed to or involved in transportation. I lost my career as an airline pilot (major airline) and my life spiraled out of control. Syed, Due to the self-reporting nature, the chances of getting caught lying on an FAA medical aren't very high. However you have never been treated or taken medication so probably if you disclose it the FAA would require some sort of doctors evaluation which says you are OK and that will be the end of it. Be careful that if you have seen your doctor and are responding yes to question 19 and your doctor diagnosed you with ADHD (or suggested that you had ADHD), you will also likely need to respond yes to question 18m. Moreover, there are strategies that will improve your chances of gaining medical certification legally and more quickly even if health is an issue. Are we the same person? As you say does nothing to hinder my ability to fly a plane in anyway, but the FAA says is not allowed, SO. Most get grounded for a year? And yet still I do not feel I can speak freely to them. the third class should go away. Federal employees should qualify for at least a class three medical for airmen and let us toss in the medication list and drug testing for commercial drivers. If I have the big one in the seat here is what will happen: 1. I HAVE NEVER ACTUALLY TRIED FOR A MEDICAL OR A LISENSE AS FAR AS THAT GOES. When that syndrome is cured, much of what is wrong at FAA will be cured. My first experience with an AMI was when I applied for a job with the government and was required to take a physical exam. Flying brought some much needed joy back into my life. For example, what if one is tired or snores. Bury the third class in favor of drivers licenses, who cars come with inches of mine, go against lights, etc. Re test. Help is only a phone call away! Driving While Impaired (DWI) from alcohol, drugs, texting and exhaustion is obviously a serious problem and every driver self certifies, there is no evidence in the National Traffic Safety Data Base, that accidents caused by preexisting health conditions and the medications used for their treatment, is a major problem. If you were diagnosed with ADHD when you were in school but havent taken medication or experienced symptoms in 15 years, you still are required to answer yes to question 18m. (BTW, I am a member of both.) There are are more decisions that have to be made while driving than flying. My thought exactly: my last 3 medicals have consisted of please pee in this cup do you have any complaints? Required fields are marked *. He had diabetes. Lie, definitely not. What Exactly Does A Biomedical Engineer Do? As they say the truth eventually comes out but sometimes lies can go untold forever and I believe there are pilots who are flying around in our airspace with disqualifying medical conditions that should be special issuance or not even have a medical. I think a regular physical should be required, but the special AME physical in all reality boils down to a tax disguised as safety concern. NONE . TO LOW TO BAIL SO HAD TO TO FLY IT DOWN . Yes its very rare for someone to have heart attack or neurological brain seizure in flight. Its only a matter of time. On checking this I was advised the costs would be in the region of 600+. How about an 83 year-old on medication for type II diabetes, depression, and senility taking medication for all 3 problems? The bottom line is,if you cant be truthfull to yourself,you cant be truthfull at all. It is possible that the Emirates authorities will check to see if he can make an attempt at a complete sentence with capitalization and punctuation. Boating accident deaths 750 Brian, what about a medication that was rx when you were eight and havent taken for 20yrs? Justify their positions by educating and hammering self certification, not for two or five years, but every flight. The other is you tell the FAA about something. but I was frustrated because a desk bureaucrat figured they knew more about my health than 3 doctors who had recently examined me with aviation in mind.. I was diagnosed with PTSD from my service in the infantry Vietnam in 1968/1969 and have received counseling for it. | site designed by. I always had to do a stress test, but starting 2 years ago, that has been expanded to require radionuclide scintigraphy every other year. Signed, RN/PPSEL/IFR. If it makes you feel any better, the doctors office transposed two numbers in the date of the exam. What are the chances you will get caught? I know of several pilots who have useful vision in only one eye or have amblyopia that makes it impossible for them to pass the eye exam. I'm not offering any advice on what to do. I reported controlled hypertension on my questionnaire. What does NTSB say? Risk is a price of freedom. The guy who is lying about hypertension is making a huge mistake. Make a copy of the original and keep that in a safe place. your PIC in the Cockpit might have the most serious medical condition, but will never no it thats why the federal government made the HIPPA law. With the impact these regulations and half-baked ideas have on our lives, economy, and national security in general it is time that federal employees comply with all the regulations the citizens that they regulate have to. Get thorough guidance on how to proceed. This is done by directly contacting you the pilot. I believe those with conditions that would be considered a problem while flying (vertigo, blackouts, narcolepsy, use of medications that cause side effects that present without warning and could be debilitating, etc.) An example is the FAAs recent rule change on anti-depressant use. Does anyone know the statistics of how often a dead pilot at a crash is found to have prescribed medications for a condition that has not been reported on the 8500-8? Fess and get a special issuance if necessary. Telling the truth in MedXPress is clearly the right thing to do, but that is not what this article is about. It was OK to fly without government harassment. @Brian B. My understanding is that the FAA cannot see your personal medical records without your permission so how are guys getting caught. If the FAA finds out that you failed to disclose something that you should have disclosed, not only does it mean that you can lose your license, but you may also face a hefty fine or even criminal prosecution. There shouldnt be different standards. We report, you decipher. Even when telling the truth the FAA doesnt give the AME the power to decide. I live in the UK and the medical over here for a pilot licence, they dont do an EEG. But, it was not the fault of the FAA, it was mine for not verifying the doctors statement before submitting it. The AOPA and the EAA are going to propose an exemption to the third class physical exam that would allow us to use our drivers license as our medical to fly recreational. The standards are too strict and the FAA bases thier decisions (especially on medication) on generalizaitons instead of listening to the pilots and doctors. I was dumb enough to tell them about my marriage counseling! I do recommend that you do ask your AME any questions regarding your medications and or your medical history and assist in the gathering of medical records relating to what condition you may have and also the same for your arrest/and or correctional history to explain why on the medical form in the explanations page. Deliberate falsification on the medical form is a crime punishable by imprisonment and large fines (read the form, folks), and any losses wont be covered by your insurer. So, I can only assume that the FAA will see it so there is no question about having to report it myself. 5 years until age 40, then 4 years until age 45, then 3 years until age 50, then 2 years. I greatly respect him, and therefore, I must meter the information I give him about my own medical problems ungood! That resulted in the rejection of my 2010 medical! Having people squeal on them? I got my license back about 10 years ago. Alternatively, upon 90-days of discontinuation of medication, you can potentially undergo the requested neuropsychological testing prescribed by the FAA. Comparatively, what I take is barely more than a prescription grade Imodium AD. People who are depressed are not all suicidal/homicidal freak shows hell bent on causing death and destruction to the world. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. The additional costs associated with FAA medicals will reduce flying time for many of us there goes the proficiencey issue again. Theyll wait until a couple of major airline pilots go postal or have a seizure over the threshold and get the front page bold type, then overreact totally inappropriately, and far too late. Probably, we certainly arent as full of ourselves as I was when I was a young man. However, the overriding principle here is that if you intentionally falsify your medical and are discovered, then you are done permanently. N If your medical expires, there is nothing to stop you from continuing to fly. Thus, agencies such as the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and Federal Bureau of Identification (FBI), for example, will most likely still be able to see your expunged records. frankly I aint go no reason to lie,,,but anybody else wants to up to them,ur lic at stake..jus hope u dont endanger anybody else..if its serious..ur life at stake alsow/everybody else below youso happy flying w/clear consciousRex. Coud be they are asking to much, to elimate the third class medical?. What to do? One way is by lying. It sometimes gets people injured and sometimes gets people killed. Pilot medicals are in the news again, with a proposal by EAA and AOPA to let more pilots use a drivers license for their medical. Students and young pilots just want to fly. 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